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Article Title:	Intelligent Design Versus Evolution
Author of reported comment:	Richard Forrest
Comment Date:	11:21 on Nov 7 2010
Comment:	Noble asserts that ID is not creationism, and that is isn't a religious position. I suggest that the evidence shows that this is not the case. The ID movement was founded in the USA because "scientific" creationism was tested through their courts and found to be religion, and that it was therefore in breach of US law against the teaching of religion in schools. "Intelligent design" was invented in an attempt to circumvent those laws, as is shown clearly and categorically by the "Wedge Document". It was itself tested in the Dover v. Kitzmiller trial. I suggest that anyone who has any interest in this reads about the case. ID was shown to be little more than "scientific" creationism thinly disguised, and when cross-examined Michael Behe conceded that ID has no more claim to scientific status than astrology. It is also noteworthy that Behe was able to dismiss as "unconvincing" the content of dozens of scientific papers describing possible evolutionary pathways for the poster child of the ID movement, the bacterial flagellum, without even bothering to read them, and that proponents of ID lied under oath. This does not make the movement look particularly honest. If, as Noble claims, ID is science it should present itself as a scientific hypothesis which can be tested by obsevation and experiment. The simple fact is that it can't be tested, and that ID proponents explicitly state that supernatural intervention cannot be ruled out. In fact, they are demanding that we change the assumption of naturalism fundamental to all science to allow for supernatural explanations. This is an attempt to reject science in favour of a pre-scientific paradigm for no other reason that that it would allow religious dogma to be taught as science in science classes. ID clearly fails as science. The question we should be asking given the history of the movement is whether or not those promoting it can claim to be honest.

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